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WOOHOO! Too bad for me I forgot to name somebody for the race on Friday, I'm stuck with Ocon now. I love crazy Singapore. Twirly Finger! Vettel all the way, Ocon would do well to score again, and he incidentally is closing in on the career start record set by Max Chilton in 2014, so I'll cheer for him to get to the finish.

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Couple crashes and resulting safety cars, who knows what'll happen...

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Urgghh... I didn't want to write this. It was sickening for me to watch that first corner in Singapore. A gimme to Hamilton. The championship's over, it's so tempting to say. "Oh, anything can happen.", people point out. It just did. For weeks, it was agreed by all sides that Vettel must win there, because the general pace advantage of the Mercedes gives it the edge in most races afterwards. Hamilton did instead. Hamilton was supposed to suffer to keep the battle going. Vettel did instead. Game over. Another thing they say is "Tell that to Alonso and Webber in Abu Dhabi 2010". That was a once a decade thing. Generally, the form goes that when the big WHAM! moment comes, nothing else dramatic happens after that. It threatens to, like in Brazil '12, but then it doesn't stick. In '12 it was Alonso going out in the first corner in Japan, and Vettel kept the advantage. In '14, it was Rosberg's car dying on the formation lap in Singapore, Hamilton kept the advantage. In '15 Rosberg was up front after Hamilton went Destruction Derby on anyone he got near and was about to snatch the win from Vettel in Hungary and the title lead then Ricciardo gave him a puncture and he dropped back behind Hamilton, Hamilton kept the advantage. In '16 Rosberg lost the advantage at the first corner in Malaysia, then got it back again when Hamilton went up in flames, and cemented his title with victory at the next race in Japan. Much as I don't want it to be so, it's most likely that Mercedes have worked so hard to make the engines bullet proof after Malaysia last year, that they will be and just have to cruise.

Damn it. As you can tell, I held fire 'till now, so it wasn't just another Ham Bash session.

I ain't getting excited by seeing them struggle on Friday in Malaysia '17. There seems a creeping inevitability that they will suddenly turn it around in 24 hours like Ferrari did in Singapore, such is the pendulum way in which 2017 is playing out. Dark Mini has turned against me. I cheered myself up this week by buying a 2017 Vettel hat. I need some comforting.

On a weird note, a vid I saw the other day was equal parts eerie and awesome. It showed two startline crashes, 14 years apart.

Germany 2003:

Ralf Schumacher chops across from a front row start to block Rubens Barrichello, squeezing him to the left. Starting from 5th on the grid, Kimi Raikkonen rockets off the line and goes around the outside, but makes contact with Barrichello, ripping off his right rear wheel, he torpedoes Schumacher, leaving a massive hole in the side of his car, and flies off the track at the first corner, having a massive smash into the barriers. Schumacher and Raikkonen lose heaps of ground in the championship as a result.

Singapore 2017:

Sebastian Vettel chops across from a front row start to block Max Verstappen, squeezing him to the left. Starting from 4th on the grid, Kimi Raikkonen rockets off the line and goes around the outside, but makes contact with Verstappen, ripping off his right rear wheel, he torpedoes Vettel, leaving a massive hole in the side of his car, and flies off the track at the first corner, having a massive smash into the barriers. Vettel and Raikkonen lose heaps of ground in the championship as a result.

Spot the difference.

Oh yeah, and Verstappen to throw a spanner in the works after showing good pace on Friday, for all that seems to be worth anymore. Didn't think I'd ever see Karun Chandhok so readily throw his hands up in the air and say "Pfft. Dunno." when they asked him something, but there it is.

Finally, well done Palmer and Vandoorne, Vamos Carlos, welcome Gasly, but piss off Toro Rosso. Dumping Kvyat again and taking Honda engines. You must be mad. You've lost the flippin' plot. As Vettel would say: "Honestly..."

Drivers

1. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 263
2. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 235
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 212
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer) 162

Constructors

1. Mercedes 475
2. Ferrari 373
3. Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer 230
4. Force India Mercedes 124

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 658
2. Ferrari 415
3. Renault 324
4. Honda 17

Formula E

So, Piquet's moved to Jaguar? Actually didn't see that coming. Audi, Mahindra and Renault all remain unchanged for Season 4, though Audi lose the clashing red green and yellow, and go black and white instead whilst also reverting to their original Season 1 name Audi Sport Abt. I still suspect someone's going to find some room at the inn for Felipe Massa, who was eyeing the series up before Williams came begging him to step into the breach. Clock's ticking...

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I said a spanner in the works. A big spanner it was, as Red Bull were unexpectedly quick in Sepang, helping to limit the damge from yet more Ferrari bad luck. Come on, can we please have Mercedes suffering, now? Vettel came from the back to the high end of the points for the fourth time in his career,
showing us why he's a four times champion once again, while Hamilton acted sensibly for a change, and phoned it in for second place with the championship in mind. The Huntsman did well for third, and plenty of fighting between the Williams guys. What that crash was about after flagfall is anyone's guess. I thought of Schumacher and Albers in China '05, with how absent minded it all was. Can it though, Seb, save the fury for the track. First championship decided in Malaysia, the Pole Position Trophy going to Hamilton for the third year in a row. We're getting down to it now.

Drivers

1. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 281
2. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 247
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 222
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer) 177

Constructors

1. Mercedes 503
2. Ferrari 385
3. Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer 270
4. Force India Mercedes 133

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 701
2. Ferrari 427
3. Renault 364
4. Honda 23

A tentative nod towards Vettel for Japan.

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Meanwhile, Formula 2 and GP3 could decide their champions in Spain this weekend, and the final phase of this years WRC kicks in. Ooh!

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So far weekend doesn't look good for Finns in any series... emoticon

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Hate to say I told you so... once again it was the chaser rather than the chased that had the crap, meaning the chased only had to get out of bed in the morning and he'd already won.

Or, as MiniDrivers had it:

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Drivers

1. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 306
2. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 247
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 234
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer) 192

Constructors

1. Mercedes 540
2. Ferrari 395
3. Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer 303
4. Force India Mercedes 147

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 753
2. Ferrari 443
3. Renault 397
4. Honda 23

F2

Leclerc was as unstoppable as ever. One last chance for Rowland to stop him, and he got left behind, eating Leclerc's dust. Then Rowland got stuck behind backmarkers due to this weekend using Jerez's staff instead of the efficient F1 stewards who were busy in Japan. That was a bit exciting, wasn't it? And then to rub it in, the other Prema of Fuoco decided to work for him. But then on Sunday... They both burned through tyres like there's no tomorrow. The speed with which Leclerc went into freefall down the field at mid distance and on the last lap was mad. Latifi had plenty of chances to pass Palou but seemed to be afraid to stuff it up and hand it to Markelov, which only ended up handing it to Markelov anyway by allowing him to close, and he did them both in one attempt.

So, F2 and GP3 decided it all in Jerez for the drivers. It's looking like the only silverware of any kind that will be decided in the final weekend of the years will be F2's Teams Championship. Bit of a letdown.

Drivers

1. Charles Leclerc (Prema Racing) 249
2. Oliver Rowland (Dams) 189
3. Artem Markelov (Russian Time) 177
4. Luca Ghiotto (Russian Time) 164

Teams

1. Prema Racing 347
2. Dams 345
3. Russian Time 341
4. ART Grand Prix 190

GP3

Russell knew hehad an easy ride after only one race took place in Italy, and duly took the championship by keeping out of trouble.
Another last lap sprint with a safety car made things tense as Kari's descent into oblivion continued, wiping out the surprise of the weekend for me, Ticktum. Not sure how I feel about him, now, after it was broughtto my attention by the commentary what Ticktum was most famous for, a shocking piece of jerkassery at Silverstone a couple of years back in the lower categories. Another solid points finish for Calderon, but she shoulda woulda coulda had more but for being hit at Turn 1 on Saturday by Alesi. Onwards to Abu Dhabi!

Drivers

1. George Russell (ART Grand Prix) 190
2. Jack Aitken (ART Grand Prix) 140
3. Nirei Fukuzumi (ART Grand Prix) 134
4. Anthoine Hubert (ART Grand Prix) 117

Teams

1. ART Grand Prix 553
2. Trident 244
3. Jenzer Motorsport 135
4. Campos Racing 56
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The start was an illustration of the word defiance. Only Hamilton ever wins at this bloody track. I hate it. Go back to Indianapolis, I say. Verstappen deserved that penalty. It looked cool, but it was illegal. I don't care how it looks, cheating is cheating. You don't get a free pass just because it looked good. Verstappen fanboys were immediately on the excuse-mobile, with "waayoureincahootswithferrariyouhateexcitementyouwantustostaystillandnotmoveyouboringjerkswaawaa." Piss off. We want you to not cheat and stop having a tantrum when you get caught. We didn't let Hamilton away with that in Spa '08, we're not doing to let Dr. No away with it, either, fanboys. Same goes for you too, Christian Horner, the penalty was not appalling, you expecting Max to get away with cheating just because it looked exciting is appalling.

My driver of the day: Sainz. That's how to debut with a midfield team. Immediately showing the difference between what Renault has now got and what they've just left behind. Sorry Jolyon. So the Palmer name must forever fall back on Jonathan basically being 'non-turbo world champion' forever. Also demonstrates why F2 has come in to replace GP2. It's 2014 champion and runner up were blown away in F1 and are both out on their ear. The 2015 class also didn't impress, but the 2016 duo both have.

Drivers

1. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 331
2. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 265
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 244
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer) 192

Constructors

1. Mercedes 575
2. Ferrari 428
3. Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer 318
4. Force India Mercedes 159

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 802
2. Ferrari 476
3. Renault 416
4. Honda 23

In other news, Dams quit GP3 and trade the Renault brand for another in the same company, Nissan, for Formula E season 5. I always imagined a Nissan F1 entry in my early days as a viewer, especially when Toyota was around. It would have been a full Japanese contingent. At least I'll get to see what a team would look like in a series such as Formula E, now.

And ignore all the stuff about high altitudes, Mercedes will dominate a track with long straights like in Mexico. So, since I'll never support Hamilton ever, ever, ever, ever, even in an arm wrestling contest, Bottas it is.
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If that Max-Kimi would've happened middle of the race, it would've been "give back the place" and nobody would've ever mentioned it again.

I'm kind of wondering Toro Rosso. Kvyat showed he can still get a point and I'm not sure same goes for Hartley yet (in these few races) and with Renault (and possibly even Haas) close behind, they'll need every point possible to not lose a place or two in constructors' - and that's a lot of money.
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I was on holiday while Mexico was on. Glad I was. I would have been too miserable otherwise. Just know this Hamilton fanboys; you didn't get Lewis patting Nico on the back for winning like Sebastian did for him. No, Lewis and you accuse the team of sabotaging and disrespecting him instead, like we should all rollover and kiss his behind. Heaven forbid he ever had to do any work for it. Also you don't get Vettel fans yelling 'Sabotage!' or 'They're just letting the other guy have a turn at being no.1' when breakdowns occur. Lewis Hamilton, one of the top drivers in the world, one of the worst attitudes in the world, and with the worst fans in the world. Please knock him out next year, Seb.

Going by the previous form, since Daniil Kvyat has finally been shown the door for good by the Red Bull company, so can't be demoted anymore, then Max Verstappen will never win a race again... Sorry Max. Not.

Meanwhile, Esteban Ocon looks like getting the lamest nickname ever for his completing every lap of every race he's ever done and claiming the rookie career start record; Mr. O'Consistency. Can't be much worse than playing the old Exotic Name Game with his name. This involves translating a driver's name into English, thereby stripping it of it's foreign coolness. It began in the 70s with Bruno Giacomelli - Bruno Jack O'Malley. Most birthday cards in the 90s and 00s with motor racing imagery on it could be expected to have written in them "Oi! Schumacher!" "Cobblers to you too, mate!". 1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve - Jack Newtown. In the 00s we had Timo Glock - Tim O'Glock, or Tim Bell. Former Ferrari boss Stefano Domenicali - Steve Sunday. Current Ferrari boss Maurizio Arrivabene - Maurice Arrives Well. Pastor Maldonado - Pastor McDonald. Sergio Perez - George Price. Nico Hulkenberg - Nicholas Bighill. Nico Rosberg - Nicholas Redhill. Daniel Ricciardo - Daniel Richard. And the man himself, Esteban Ocon - Steve O'Connor. The list goes on.

Thanks for nothing Williams, for wrecking Felipe Massa's 2018 by not deciding to let go of him soon enough, thereby causing him to a miss a chance to join Formula E. We'll miss you, Felipe Baby. Now finish Brazil this time, please. Please don't do what Button did and blow the second chance at a decent goodbye with a stupid crash.

Drivers

1. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 333
2. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 277
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 262
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer) 192

Constructors

1. Mercedes 595
2. Ferrari 455
3. Red Bull Racing Tag Heuer 340
4. Force India Mercedes 175

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 846
2. Ferrari 507
3. Renault 441
4. Honda 24

Same as last year, Mercedes heading for 1,000, and Ferrari looking over its shoulder at Renault.

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Porsche Supercup

Wow. Saturday provided wheel to wheel drama, crashes and action throughout, and Sunday provided nice bubbling tension, as the drivers' championship was settled. Finally a major title for Michael Ammermuller. As I said right at the start of the season, the only one I'd heard of going into the season. Great job. He was aggressive when he needed to be, passing and then not giving a inch to Dennis Olsen on Saturday. On Sunday, an early off decided it all, as Olsen didn't seem to have the grip underneath him and he never recovered. Three wins in a row at the end of the season for Matt Campbell, giving him four for the season, one more than Olsen and tying him with Ammermuller, who made his three in a row at the start of the season; oh, what might have been...

Also what might have been for Egidio Perfetti. Leading the B Class going into the final two races, he crashed in both, so lost the title. Ouch...

Final Drivers Standings

1. Michael Ammermuller (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 193

2. Dennis Olsen (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 186
3. Matt Campbell (Fach Auto Tech) 151
4. Dan Cammish (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 122 [My source finally says Dan, so Dan it is]
5. Robert Lukas (Olimp Racing) 103
6. Mattia Drudi (Dinamic Motorsport) 91
7. Josh Webster (Fach Auto Tech) 85
8. Dylan Pereira (Lechner Racing Middle East) 84
9. Zaid Ashkanani (MRS GT Racing) 74
10. Daniele Di Amato (Dinamic Motorsport) 47
11. Ryan Cullen (Lechner Racing Middle East) 41
12. Philip Morin (Martinet by Almeras) 40
13. Mikkel Overgarth Pedersen (MRS GT Racing) 37
14. Al Faisal Al Zubair (Lechner Racing Middle East) 29
15. Steven Palette (Martinet by Almeras) 26
16. Paul Rees (Momo Megatron Team Partrax) 25
17. Igor Walilko (Olimp Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 24
18. Nick Yelloly (Momo Megatron Team Partrax) 23
19. Thomas Preining (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 22
20. Piotr Parys (Olimp Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 17
21. Jaap Van Lagen (Momo Megatron Team Partrax) 14
22. Julien Andlauer (Martinet by Almeras) 12
23. Tom Sharp (IDL Racing) 12
24. Nico Rindlisbacher (Momo Megatron Team Partrax) 8
25. Egidio Perfetti (Momo Megatron Team Partrax) 8
26. Roar Lindland (MRS Cup Racing) 7
27. Chris Bauer (FÖRCH Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 3
28. Mark Radcliffe (IDL Racing) 1
29. Glauco Solieri (Fach Auto Tech) 0
30. Roland Berville (Martinet by Almeras) 0
31. Christof Langer (MRS Cup Racing) 0
32. Santiago Creel (FÖRCH Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 0
33. Philipp Sager (MRS Cup Racing) 0
34. Florian Latorre (Martinet by Almeras) 0
35. Pablo Sanchez Lopez (Olimp Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 0
36. Zeljko Drmic (Olimp Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 0

Guest Racers (Listed on Wikipedia in results order for completionists like myself. If they'd scored points...)

37. Tom Oliphant (Porsche Cars GB) [21]
38. Henric Skoog (Walter Lechner Racing Team) [12]
39. Charlie Eastwood (Porsche Cars GB) [6]
40. Gianmarco Quaresmini (Dinamic Motorsport) [2]
41. Thomas Preining (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 0 [Not listed in Hungary for reasons I'd probably know if I was a reporter]
42. Sean Hudspeth (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 0
43. Kenji Kobayashi (MRS GT Racing) 0
44. Giovanni Berton (Dinamic Motorsport) 0

Final Teams Standings

1. Lechner MSG Racing Team 315

2. Fach Auto Tech 236
3. Walter Lechner Racing Team 235
4. Dinamic Motorsport 138
5. Lechner Racing Middle East 127
6. Olimp Racing by Lukas Motorsport 117
7. MRS GT Racing 112
8. Momo Megatron Team Partrax 78
9. Martinet by Almeras 73
10. IDL Racing 13
11. MRS Cup Racing 7
12. FÖRCH Racing by Lukas Motorsport 4

Final Rookie Class Standings

1. Dennis Olsen (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 186

2. Matt Campbell (Fach Auto Tech) 151
3. Mattia Drudi (Dinamic Motorsport) 91
4. Josh Webster (Fach Auto Tech) 85
5. Philip Morin (Martinet by Almeras) 40
6. Mikkel Overgarth Pedersen (MRS GT Racing) 37
7. Al Faisal Al Zubair (Lechner Racing Middle East) 29
8. Igor Walilko (Olimp Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 24
9. Piotr Parys (Olimp Racing by Lukas Motorsport) 17
10. Nico Rindlisbacher (Momo Megatron Team Partrax) 8

Final B Class Standings

1. Roland Berville (Martinet by Almeras) 166

2. Egidio Perfetti (Momo Megatron Team Partrax) 162
3. Roar Lindland (MRS Cup Racing) 152
4. Mark Radcliffe (IDL Racing) 150
5. Glauco Solieri (Fach Auto Tech) 146
6. Christof Langer (MRS Cup Racing) 96
7. Philipp Sager (MRS Cup Racing) 16

Final Nations Standings

1. Germany 195

2. Norway 188
3. Australia 159
4. Britain 129
5. Poland 115
6. Italy 111
7. Kuwait 93
8. Luxembourg 88
9. Sweden 72
10. Denmark 68
11. Oman 61
12. France 52
13. Netherlands 42
14. Mexico 38
15. Switzerland 25
16. Ireland 0 [6]

Whoa. Took a while taking all that down!

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