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It was a strange mistake for Ferrari to stop Kimi so that he came out behind two lapped cars, they really should've been able to calculate that and have him stop lap or two later.
Not that I believe it to be on purpose, Red Bulls and Bottas were too close for Ferrari to fool around. They wouldn't have risked points, 1-2 and even victory by messing with one of their drivers.
That said, somebody screwed up and Kimi had all reason to be unhappy (despite his best result this year and Ferrari 1-2).

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I was tearing my hair out over the drivers points since I keep forgetting how they get dold out in PSC that I didn't bother checking that the teams and nations were updated on my source for that, since the official website is slow. I've only just noticed. Whoo, boy.

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So, with out of date points and mistaking who fell down a hill and who didn't, what else will I stuff up this season?

Porsche Supercup

So, after adjustments were at last made, here it is corrected!

Drivers

1. Michael Ammermuller (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 60
2. Dennis Olsen (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 52
3. Daniel Cammish (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 48
4. Matt Campbell (Fach Auto Tech) 40

Teams

1. Lechner MSG Racing Team 108
2. Fach Auto Tech 58
3. Walter Lechner Racing Team 57
4. Dinamic Motorsport 39

Nations

1. Germany 60
2. Norway 52
3. Britain 48
4. Australia 40

WRC

Portugal is one of the rounds on which I'm able to keep the car pointing the right way more than others in the games. Maybe it's the mix of tarmac and gravel some stages have that do it, like a memory game, so I'm thinking 'right, time to switch'. The Fafe jump is too puntastic for me. When someone flips, the response is always 'stop faffing about!'. Yeah... emoticon When someone appears on screen who you've never heard of, or who appears rarely, you know a big crash is coming. That happened, too. Something for everyone here.

Whinger of the Week: Neuville. As if Latvala was screwing you deliberately. What's the point of doing that in this discipline, eh? It really winds me up when competitors do that. Taking it too seriously, chaps. I was impressed that Latvala was even able to make it home after that.

Meanwhile, mayhem fans had a feast on Stage 7 with crashes, rolls and punctures. Crazy stuff. What fun!

Drivers

1. Sebastien Ogier/Julien Ingrassia (M-Sport) 128
2. Thierry Neuville/Nicolas Gilsoul(Hyundai) 106
3. Jari-Matti Latvala/Miikka Anttila (Toyota) 88
4. Ott Tanak/Martin Jarveoja (M-Sport) 83

Manufacturers

1. M-Sport 199
2. Hyundai 173
3. Toyota 113
4. Citroen 85

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F1

Wow, Codex! Your strike rate is blowing me away. Luckily, I would have picked Vettel anyway for Canada, since there appeared to be momentum from Monaco, so I don't miss out on game points. Sadly that didn't translate. Ferrari suffered what Mercedes did in Monaco, not being able to keep the grip up for too long. People got hyped up for another Spain battle except even more closely fought, but that was snuffed out by my least favourite teenage racer Verstappen at Turn 1. Thank you for yanking his engine out and not letting him get away with breaking Vettel's front wing and killing the interest, Dark Mini. Ben Edwards in commentary waxed lyrical about that being a fantastic start by Max. Nope. That would require it to be clean. Max broke someone else's front wing in the scramble, so for me it doesn't count. Same with Vettel's battle with Ricciardo in China; they banged wheels, so I don't count it as a proper overtake.

Magnussen was pushing the limits of acceptability with his agressive sweeping across people's bow to block them from passing him. On a circuit with such long straights and high speeds as the Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve, that could be a one way ticket to a smash if you're not careful. I think he only got away with it against Stroll and Hulkenberg because Stroll got spooked by Hulkenberg joining in and backed off, so on the pit straight it was technically only Hulkenberg that Magnussen was defending against. Otherwise that would have been a clear case of two moves made and I would then have thrown the book at Magnussen.

Speaking of that, if you're gonna throw the book at someone, make sure you've turned to the right page first. Someone should get a fine or something for screwing up the penalty doled out to Kvyat. He stalled on the grid, and everyone passed him, so he was breaking the rules by retaking his position afterwards. You are only allowed to do that if someone is still behind you by the time you get moving. Kvyat did not do that; that's supposed to be a ten second stop/go penalty. They gave out the wrong one - a drive through for not doing it before the safety car. That's supposed to be for restarts. It was their screw up, so they should have rescinded the penalty and given him twenty seconds back on his race time to make it up. But no! They gave him another penalty at his stop for their mistake! What the actual chuff?! It wasn't like the late Jules Bianchi's Monaco heroics where he got a second penalty for serving the first one incorrectly; I... I just can't see why Kvyat should have taken the heat for that. It was THEIR mistake, he did what he was told! Outrageous.

Grosjean will soon need anger management if he carries on like this. Usually he rants at the team for the car being useless when Magnussen doesn't seem to have too much bother with it, then he gave Sainz both barrels for the first lap crash. Dangerous? Yes. Mental? Don't think it was that bad, Romain. Could he perhaps be feeling too much stress from the pressures of being a team's no. 1?

Perez has been a naughty boy two races running now. "Let us race, please"? huh. What a joke. You were the one stopping that from happening. He whinged that 'I might get a chance to pass Ricciardo, you never know, my team mate won't', but he was never even close. And from getting his elbows out against his own team mate, hacking him off in the process to the shame of disobeying team orders, and embarrassing Force India's bigwigs, it was a very bad show from Checo. You could have beat Ricciardo if you'd just let Ocon past, instead, you let Vettel mug both cars and almost put Ocon in the Wall of Champions. Selfish git.

Finally Stroll gets points. Perfect place to do it. He was on it all day. Great to see.

Alonso stopped a few laps from home. Whether in F1 or Indy, the result is the bloody same. A bucket of bolts with Honda witten on it. I repeat, do you have a death wish, Sauber?

Oh, and I think Hamilton was there too. I can't remember. Grand Chelem, was it? Boring. Between him and Schumacher, they've ruined one of my favourite tracks by winning too much there. My guys only win once each. Not fair. And the bias continues, no accusations of it being down to the car with him. What a joke.

Finally, there is nothing that will ever make a shoey acceptable. Not even Patrick Stewart. It's just fact. emoticon Funny though, that because he did it, news outlets and people who don't watch motorsport have been sharing it saying 'what the hell is he doing?!' Don't ask, everyone, just don't.

Drivers

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 141
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 129
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 93
4. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) 73

Constructors

1. Mercedes 222
2. Ferrari 214
3. Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 112
4. Force India Mercedes 71

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 315
2. Ferrari 233
3. Renault 159

Formula E

What happened to [sign in to see URL] Renault on Saturday? They seemed fine again on Sunday. Maybe that tyre pressure thing had something to do with it, although Prost stayed within the rules. Whatever happened with Buemi, could it really explain his lack of qualfying pace? I had no doubt he would carve his way through the field, as he's done it before. I still can't fathom how he managed to nearly win Argentina from last friggin' place in Season 2.

Massive congratulations to one of the most awesomely named drivers around, Felix Rosenqvist and Mahindra, who finally clock up their first win. I think that leaves only Venturi from Season 1 who haven't won yet. Di Grassi might have thought he had it in the bag with Buemi struggling, but Rosenqvist soon put and end to that notion. Never slack off just because the stops are coming. That's the lesson there. Great to see Heidfeld doing well again. A podium on Saturday, then brilliantly doing the big recovery drive job on Sunday to make up for the brief return of his bad luck in qualifying.

Monaco? That's old hat. THIS is how you do a tunnel. Great way to keep track of when we're on a new lap for those inside the 'park' marquee next to it, setting off smoke when the race leader passes.

[rant]Note to TV crews, please stop saying "that's what we need" when something like this happens. No, it bloody isn't. Domination isn't boring, it's something to marvel at. The competitors bust their spherical objects to be that good, the least you can do is flaming appreciate it. It's only boring if the person doing it is someone you can't stand; for instance, how many people talk about 2014 and 2015 in F1 being amazing, but I call it snooze inducing or rigged or any any other kind of fanboyish insult rant going, because Hamilton was the one dominating. It's totally subjective, and it's not a presenter's place to be talking about it. They're supposed to be impartial. I'm henceforth calling it "Walker's Law". I still like the numbers, and the possibility of 'can you win it now instead of later?'. Besides, the existence of the sport itself should be excitement enough, never mind the championship. A close battle is all well and good, but it should be done under the chasing driver's own steam, like in Season 2, not artificially engineered by rule changes or crazy one off results, like Di Grassi's Mexico win. It can't, nor should it, always go down to the last play, because that makes it look fake and staged, and therefore boring. This phantom entity they call 'the fans' annoys me. 'The fans' wan't this. Nope. I'm a fan, and I don't want Buemi to be hauled in with outside help, so to speak. Buemi has as good as walked Season 3, and it will be artificial, and therefore boring, not to mention grossly unfair, if he loses he championship because of these two races he's missing. He should win or lose on the track in Canada. If you find this success boring, you don't get what sport's about. This is competition, not WWE. As Space Ghost put it "the winner will be the winner when he wins". Not on thelastminuteofthelastlapofthelastdayOMG. Which has never happened, obviously. That was the second to last corner in Brazil, F1, remember?[/rant]

Drivers

1. Sebastian Buemi ([sign in to see URL] Renault) 157
2. Lucas Di Grassi (Abt Schaeffler Audi) 125
3. Felix Rosenqvist (Mahindra Racing) 86
4. Nicolas Prost ([sign in to see URL] Renault) 72

Constructors

1. [sign in to see URL] Renault 229
2. Abt Schaeffler Audi 171
3. Mahindra Racing 149
4. DS Virgin Racing 97

Manufacturers

1. Renault 286
2. Audi 171
3. Mahindra 149
4. Citroen 97

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Keeping the support up for The Finger. Come on Seb!
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F1

Now, it's been a week. Hopefully that has allowed for me to simmer and dial down the ranting by a massive amount. Still... it's long, in the patented rsmcc way.

So then... the elephant in the stewards' room.

Yes, Vettel's actions were out of order. He was foolish to expect everything to play out perfectly like it was in his head, because he was not leading, he was second.

No, it was not deliberate crashing. It was deliberate swerving. We've seen plenty of that in the past, including from Hamilton himself, which makes him an enormous hypocrite to whinge about 'disgrace' or 'true colours'. By that non-logic, we saw his true colours, when he deliberately backed Rosberg into Vettel and Verstappen to steal the championship from him in Abu Dhabi. I said then and I say now, he was not 'doing what I need to do'. He. Was. Cheating. If you want a driver who 'disgraced himself' when the going got tough, take a look in the damn mirror, Lewis. As usual in Hamilton's mind, it's only a disgrace when the other guy does it. Magically it becomes 'passion' or 'desire' or 'competition' or some other *bleep* like that when he does it. How DARE he act as if he's squeaky clean and would never do that! Small memory, mate. How soon we forget him hitting people every race in 2011 and accusing everyone of being in a conspiracy against him by punishing him every time, yet now he's perfectly willing to declare that a time penalty is not enough. He and his fanboys are only calling for disqualification because it was his title rival that did it. If the hero of this race, Stroll, had done it, he would have let it slide, guaranteed. One rule for me and one for everyone else, that's the Hamilton way.

The wheel banging was an accident, because as I say, swerving has been done before. Vettel overdid it, which resulted in contact, because he was so out of control. Still deserved a penalty, though, because he shouldn't have been swerving in the first place. The intent was there, as it was a clear tantrum.

Hamilton was a big baby himself about it though. The only reason the situation happened was because of him. While he absolutely did not brake test, and the telemetry published since proves that, he brought all this on himself because he was still on some level trying to screw Vettel over. He had floored it too early on restart 1, and barely avoided overtaking the safety car before it had crossed the line and officially left the track, which had caused crashes in GP2 last year, when Matsushita got caught out by it. Hamilton would have gotten a penalty for that, so on restart 2, he started backing off waaaayyyyy early just to make absolutely sure the safety car was gone this time before flooring it, whilst also holding up Vettel so he couldn't line him up for a pass before Turn 1. He was in the wrong for doing that, because history shows that crashes happen from people doing that and everyone behind not seeing them stop in time, like Schumacher and Montoya in Monaco '04. It's not illegal, but it's not fair either. Vettel, meanwhile, was in the wrong to just automatically assume Hamilton was going to roll down the hill and not try to catch him out on the initial getaway. Losing his front wing in that contact was his own fault. If he'd just did one of his by now usual sweary rants instead of going completely ape hits, then maybe Hamilton might have been the one done for dangerous driving instead. Maybe. But no, he had his head up his backside on that one, and paid the price for it. Hamilton also had his head up his backside, too. To paraphrase, 'a ten second penalty is bloody enough for that. You know that, Lewis.' You damn well know that. A grid penalty was doled out in Belgium '11 when Maldonado chopped across Hamilton in qualifying, and it absolutely was a deliberate crash on that occasion. Again, only because it was his title rival that hit him here did he argue for a DQ, anyone else and he would have said 'oh well, bleep happens, we're only human'. If he'd been done, he'd have whinged something like 'oh so we can't be emotional now, is that it?' or some such crap like that. If he hadn't had his headrest problem, he wouldn't be arguing the toss, either, because then he'd be leading the championship. RAAGGHH! Even when he's in the right he finds a way to piss me off! And quite a few others, I expect. Mainly Rosberg fans, maybe?

Given the new found reputation for being Vic Volcano that Vettel has, perhaps a suspended ban might arise from any tribunal. Outright bans may be shyed away from because the FIA might not want to interfere in the title battle too much, or indeed give Vettel fans and true neutrals the impression that they're biased towards Hamilton, like they were thought of as being biased towards Schumacher back in the day by seemingly punishing people for beating him, but letting him away with it when he did it. All that said, I'm angry at Vettel for putting us in this hole in the first place. As you know by now, I'm a huge Vettel fan, and I'm furious at what he did.

No-one comes away from this happy. Not Hamilton for being hit, not Vettel for consequences, not the sport for losing the great friendly battle we had. This is not spicing it up, pundits, it's dumbing it down, and you can all shut the hell up. What exactly about all of the above is 'more interesting'? Flippin' nothing, that's what. Sport should be just that, sporting. Not testosterone addled macho bull. Are you really enjoying this more? Really?! Well, nuts to you, then. There has been far too much war and not enough play in sport generally. We need to go back to it being a friendly match, and stop demonizing that as not showing passion. Passion is not "DESTROYING the other guy." Passion is not ruthlessness. Passion is not even me droning on and on and on like this. Passion is "I love what I do, so do you, let's love it together." We must end this "no angels" mentality. "No devils" instead, please. "No devils" would bring us better racing, better spectacle, and best of all, no cheating.

If you find that boring, you find life itself boring. And here endeth the life lesson. *mic drop*

In other news, The Huntsman hit the target again! Crazy that all of his wins have been from outside the top three on the grid to date. When it all goes to pot, Dan's the Man. What a recovery from Bottas too. Like Button in Canada '11, but in the dry. Canada Dry?! Sorry, terrible pun. Never seen a photo finish like that at proper racing speed before. The lower categories have done it in battle for me, but not F1. Wow. Would have been even better to watch, if I didn't keep losing the broadcast to the wind outside battering the Sky connection. Awesome, Stroll! Just awesome. Doing a Shoey, not so much. For bleep's sake, really? When's that gonna end? Seriously.

Force India are falling apart. Their drivers are on the verge of killing each other after tripping over each other, and missing out on a shot at victory, and they're changing their name after ten years next year to the much more boring Force One. Just one nasty accident, and bingo, everyone will call them Air Force One and they'll never be taken seriously again. Find a better name guys, please.

It was inevitable, wasn't it? It could only be on a street track where everyone crashes a lot easier than a proper racetrack that McLaren pick up points. So, start preparing for Singapore now, guys. Oh yeah, and good riddance, Ron Dennis, hope the door does hit you on the way out. The above "no angels" stuff began in F1 with Senna, so it's his fault for signing Senna and letting him start the feud with Prost. Jerk.

It's a good thing I'm not a journalist, huh?

Drivers

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 153
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 139
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 111
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer) 92

Constructors

1. Mercedes 250
2. Ferrari 226
3. Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 137
4. Force India Mercedes 79

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 366
2. Ferrari 252
3. Renault 188
4. Honda 2

2 points. Wow. You're making Cosworth look like a bullet train, Honda.

F2

Meanwhile, much more friendlier action can be found in F2. Leclerc shows his class once again, as they all dropped like flies on Saturday. I wondered if anyone was gonna see the flag at that rate, while we finally got to see that yes, the castle turn does cause a blockage and a red flag when a crash happens. But seriously, who the hell gave the order for the safety car to scoop up the field instead of just ordering them back to the pits? You'd just end up with an embarrassing tailback. But nope, someone thought that would be funny and let it happen. Deletraz will not be considering Formula E any time soon, I expect. If he never sees another concrete wall again, it'll be too soon. Leclerc ended up on the naughty step on Sunday, costing him the win, but given how rough a time he's had in his life since Monaco, he'll not care much. While F1 implodes over who should get what penalty for what, he reminds us of one important little word.

Priorities.

Losing a family member does that to you. I should know that this year.

Drivers

1. Charles Leclerc (Prema Racing) 122
2. Oliver Rowland (Dams) 80
3. Artem Markelov (Russian Time) 78
4. Luca Ghiotto (Russian Time) 58

Teams

1. Russian Time 136
2. Dams 133
3. Prema Racing 124
4. ART Grand Prix 98

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With that much more aggressive floor on the Williams, on a circuit they've been strong at in all it's incarnations, I'm gonna stick my neck out and take a punt on Massa for Austria. emoticon

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Formula E

The pick of who would fill in for Buemi in NY seemed worryingly late to me. Still, Pierre Gasly will be relieved to get some racing action this year.

Formula 1

A race of simmering tension and slowburning excitement was really needed this time to finaally let the bad blood of previously settle. We needed there to be little controversy, just a good clean race. We got it. Bottas nailed it perfectly off the start, and it's hard to tell whether Vettel means it or not when he complained about it. I mean, two whole tenths isn't something you can argue with. Especially since sensors will pick up anything untoward immediately, so it really doesn't matter. The Huntsman was just as good when hunted. The Diva had no answer, so had to go off on 'holiday' to take out his frustrations. The halfway point is approaching, and it's looking great from my side, I have to say. Twirly Finger! Meanwhile, penultimate row to ninth and tenth is crazy in its own way, with these cars. Three Weetabix for Felipe and Lance! Awesome!

And silly stat: Bottas' second win of the season was the second of his career, and came from his second pole of the season which was the second of his career. It was the second time he had fended off Vettel for the win, and the second time they crossed the line less than one second apart. Valtteri summed up best on C4: "I think that was my second best win!"

Quiet for Hamilton, who seemingly gave up after he got that penalty for the gearbox change. Still, at least he actually turned up...

Drivers

1. Sebasian Vettel (Ferrari) 171
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 151
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 136
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer) 107

Constructors

1. Mercedes 287
2. Ferrari 254
3. Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 152
4. Force India Mercedes 89

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 416
2. Ferrari 288
3. Renault 203
4. Honda 2

F2

Too easy for Leclerc again on Saturday. Markelov did the same trick on Sunday, but Leclerc's luck finally ran out. The reverse grid pole has always looked artificial and unsporting to me, because it's a blatant attempt to artificially generate crashes and overtaking rather than letting them occur naturally; the idea behind it is based on a false notion, that just letting the fast guys be fast leads to processions. For the umpteen billionth time from me, it is simply not true. Processions are once in a blue moon, even during the dark days of Schumacher domination in F1. They just seemed to happen all the time because it was one driver and team doing it. Leclerc can feel hard done by there, I feel, though he'll not care too much. His championship lead hardly got dented, but it would surely be more worthwhile and authentic if it was reduced by someone else's efforts rather than a situation forced upon him by ill-judged decade old rules made of stupid.

Drivers

1. Charles Leclerc (Prema Racing) 151
2. Oliver Rowland (Dams) 102
3. Artem Markelov (Russian Time) 99
4. Nicholas Latifi (Dams) 72

Teams

1. Prema Racing 174
2. Dams 174
3. Russian Time 165
4. ART Grand Prix 130

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Miffed to see the same gearbox problem strike Bottas as Hamilton in Austria. While obviously Mercedes did not give him a dud just to give Hamilton a home advantage, it irks me that you would be slayed for saying it at Silverstone, whereas if Ferrari had changed Raikkonen's gearbox, you would be contractually obliged to say they gave Vettel an advantage. You know it's true. I'm not watching the podium here, because he'll get booed for the crime of challenging Hamilton. Only made worse by the fact that they didn't give Button the respect he deserved in '09, then they complained about the 'wrong Brit winning' somehow; whinging about Hamilton not being able to challenge instead of celebrating Button finally being able to fight for the championship for the first time. While some sneered at him for dominating in the first place, cheering the Silvrstone winner for making the title fight more exciting... and that was Vettel.

Ugh.

[crappy reference]Worst fans... in the world. [/crappy reference]

Anyway, whinging hat off. Bottas to bounce back and get a podium. I fear more Ham Acting this weekend, with Mercedes having a clear advantage and Red Bull getting in Ferrari's way at the worst possible time. As Tropes would have it, this is gonna be another Bias Steamroller.
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A good day for Finns, despite Kimi's little misfortune emoticon

Hard to name Driver of the Day: Hamilton dominates, Bottas did well, Ricciardo surely did most passing, steady and strong weekend for Hülkenberg...

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