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I'm a bit late, but I've seen the qualifying of the Aussie Grand Prix this year in Melbourne. It was the first time I've seen Formula One down under, but not my first live race. I've been to a German Grand Prix when I was younger, so it brought back lots of memories.
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Awesome job, Valtteri Bottas. AWESOME! Where did that come from? He had long run pace on Friday, yes, but so did Vettel. He took pole after all. Great idea to give us some drama to roll the dice on strategy after the pit stops. And all done with Bottas' teeth rattling from a flat spot. DC pointed it out of C4, and I was genuinely surprised. I thought I'd seen it all, but there it was on the on board on the slow down lap, the most graphic illustration I can remember of what a flat spot vibration does to you inside the car. No wonder Raikkonen's suspension shook itself apart in that now infamous race at the Nurburgring in '05. Bloody hell, Valtteri. Three Weetabix!

The excitement came from the anticipation of something happening, again. Once again you must learn that patience is a virtue, and not call to tear everything up after just one race where no positional passes occurred. People think that happened all the time in the '90s and '00s, but it didn't. The number of times that actually happened compared to reality are less than the digits on one hand. It's Schumacher winning all the time back then clouding your memories guys, give it a rest. It's once in a blue moon. Give me a race like this over 'exiting the pits into one corner, passing with DRS and new tyres into the next corner and winning from there' any day.

Less said about McLaren, the better. Even before the race had started, Alonso's latest engine decided "oh, what's the point?" emoticon
What. The. emoticon Do. You. Think. You. Are. Doing. Sauber? Prepare the the obituaries, F1 Racing Magazine. 2018 might be their last season, if they're gonna use Honda engines. Cynical of me, or just plain nasty? Time will tell.

Drivers

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 86
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 73
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 63
4. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) 49

Constructors

1. Mercedes 136
2. Ferrari 135
3. Red Bull Racing TAG-Heuer 57
4. Force India Mercedes 31

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 185
2. Ferrari 142
3. Renault 76

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Roll on Spain!

GP3 and Porsche Supercup kick off then. Good luck to Tatiana Calderon. Also to Niko Kari, who's been shouted out to here, as well. I make the favourite for GP3 the latest Mercedes junior to hit the scene, George Russell. Let's see...

WRC

The highlights shows pointed it out, and I'm saying it too. With such never ending turns on those roads, is this really a French rally, or is it Irish? emoticon

Meeke can't have simple time. Almost crashing before finally winning safely, followed by a failure while dominating. Dread to think what'll happen to him next. I thought he panicked when he went off in Mexico, and in his interview he confirmed it. When something interrupts your rhythm like that, it's dead easy to lose your way. The sheer drop that Elfyn Evans barely avoided when he went out is another thing that reminds me rather uncomfortably of Irish roads. The Burren is almost indistinguishable from that kind of layout. It's rocky layout would be a good backdrop for an Irish rally, actually. Get me the FIA on the blower, now!

And about time it finally came together for Neuville. If luck had been on his side, he'd be dominating the championship by now. With that, all four teams won the first four rallies between them!! OMG. emoticon

As a largely F1-centric viewer, I'm jealous.

Drivers

1. Sebastien Ogier/Julien Ingrassia (M-Sport) 88
2. Jari-Matti Latvala/Miikka Antilla (Toyota) 75
3. Thierry Neuville/Nicolas Gilsoul (Hyundai) 54
4. Ott Tanak/Martin Jarveoja (M-Sport) 48

Manufacturers

1. M-Sport 129
2. Hyundai 105
3. Toyota 79
4. Citroen 71

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(You misspelled Anttila.)

Truly interesting WRC season, though from Finnish point of view not likely to be quite as fun as F1.

Speaking of which...
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There we go, 77! We knew you had it in you!


I don't think Sauber has much to lose... and despite having been proven wrong for a long time now, I can't help having some optimism that Honda eventually improves.
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Apparently not this year, though.

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Tend to think this massive numbers thing is 'dumbing down' a bit. We were fine with the numbers being small for decades, just remember them a bit better! Having said that, though, McLaren hardly entered into the intended spirit with their 'little flag next to a name tag that looks like a sticker'. Mercedes and Ferrari have put the most effort in for my money, and they're the championship leaders. Funny, that... While Force India cheekily reminded us that where most teams are putting them is a waste of time, since those appendages won't be there next year. They put theirs on the sidepod instead, which meant that some people missed them, and started yelling at them "why are you guys exempt?". emoticon

A clear example to me of just why this doesn't work. There's always one spanner who doesn't get it... Meanwhile, Red Bull are just asking for trouble with theirs. Doesn't matter how big the number is, with Ricciardo and Verstappen's numbers you'll just get very dizzy very quickly. 3 or 33? 3 or 33? 3 or 33? 3 or 33? emoticon GAAAHHH! I would recommend rendering them on the 'sail wing' as 'THREE' and 'THIRTY THREE' to make absolutely sure.

Definition of farce: The Honda engine exploding on it's friggin' out lap. No wonder Alonso bogged off back to his hotel. It's like he's driving himself mad just by turning up now. With his luck right now, Button will finish on the podium in Monaco, just you wait. emoticon

Meanwhile, those damn updates and new gearbox, have, as many of us feared, made Mercedes go bloody faster. Bottas, I'm counting on you this week, mate. I nominate Bottas.

This is the busiest motorsport weekend I can remember. F1, F2, GP3, Porsche Supercup and Formula E are ALL in action this weekend. My Sky+ box will be crying for mercy! Signed up for the Formula E app at last, and given a FanBoost vote for the first time, to championship leader Buemi. He's right, Di Grassi has been too lucky this season. The Mexico win was a great show of strategy, and he fully earned that, but five points seems too small of a gap after the awesome job Buemi did before then. He really ought to still be ahead by a double figure margin. Maybe if they finished 1-2 in Monaco it'd be better. Regardless, Allez les Bleus et Jaunes!

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Yay! What a battle! Boo! Hamilton won. The wrong Mercedes blew up. It was a tense battle of the likes we'd been waiting for for months, and it was what was hoped for. Move, counter move, and high speed chess game. That's why the tyres should be this durable. These fights last all race, not 3 corners. Twice now Vettel's been screwed by a safety car period allowing Hamilton a free stop. The inverse at Monaco, please. No points for me this race, though, with a Bottas DNF. Doh!

Rest is vital. Wehrlein proved it definitively when he pulled a blinder for his best ever finish, doing it at full fitness. "Take a painkiller and get on with it." leaves you in agony with nothing to show for it, Mark and DC. With archive, you can go all the way back to Fittipaldi at Netherlands '73 to see that
that sh emoticon doesn't work. (That footage took some finding. I knew I had it somewhere) And in Webber's case, three words, mate: Korea Twenty Ten. *mic drop*

Alonso saw the finish. After a freakin' SEVENTH if you please on the grid that left our heads spinning, he was brought back to reality at Turn 2 by Massa. Massa was target practice for McLaren for whatever reason, and I hope he doesn't meet Vettel again in Monaco.

The Pink Panthers as Sky keeps calling them at Force India are the only team who have scored with both drivers at every race. Awesome job, plugging away as ever. Put a punt on Checo Perez for Monaco? Well, you know what they say: Real Men Wear Pink!

And just when you lose faith in humanity, Ferrari restore it with the dear young fan Thomas. J'aime bien Kimi! C'est fantastique. Profitez de vos quinze secondes de gloire, mon ami.* Enough to even make Raikkonen crack a smile. Aww. All together: #"I believe that children are the future..."# You could likely sing that better than me. emoticon

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Drivers

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 104
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 98
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 63
4. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) 49

Constructors

1. Mercedes 161
2. Ferrari 153
3. Red Bull Racing TAG-Heuer 72
4. Force India Mercedes 53

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 232
2. Ferrari 168
3. Renault 105

* Thank you, Google Translate. I wish I was that good at French in school.

Formula E

Another great performance by Buemi. I asked for 1-2 between him and Di Grassi to even it out a bit performance wise, and we got that. All bets are off for next time in France.

Vergne tried once on Piquet, not enough space. Tried twice, I thought 'third time's the charm'! Not quite... I thought he didn't leave enough space on the exit, assuming he'd got the job done. When you do that, you suffer, and he did. This was the first race I watched with the FE app, and turned on the radio feed when the crash happened just in time to hear Vergne scream out of my phone "WHAT THE CHUFF IS HE DOING?!" Er, at least, that's what I think he said, sound quality's not perfect... emoticon

Great to see Nick Heidfeld have some good luck for a change. A win would be handy, though. I've never seen him win in single seaters, and the stats make painful reading: It's. Eighteen. Years. since he won in single seater anything. Eep. emoticon

Drivers

1. Sebastien Buemi ([sign in to see URL] Renault) 104
2. Lucas di Grassi (Abt Schaeffler Audi) 89
3. Nicolas Prost ([sign in to see URL] Renault) 48
4. Jean-Eric Vergne (Techeetah) 40

Constructors

1. [sign in to see URL] Renault 152
2. Abt Schaeffler Audi 115
3. Mahindra 60
4. Techeetah 45

Manufacturers

1. Renault 197
2. Audi 115
3. Mahindra 60
4. Citroen 44

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Bad week for Finland in F1, GP3, ESC and ice hockey world championship isn't going too well either emoticon


Exceptionally many F1 teams have uneven pair of drivers this year:

Massa>Stroll
Hulkenberg>Palmer
Alonso>Vandoorne (not that it matters...)
Sainz>Kvyat
Wehrlein>Ericsson (? bit early to say)
Perez>Ocon (close, but Perez has finished better in all 5 races)

And I hate to add the Finns to the list.

Only Red Bull and arguably Haas have evenly matched drivers.

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F2

Well, Leclerc is showing his all rounder might, isn't he? How to bulldozer your opponents one day, then patience before picking them off the next. I'm happy to see Matsushita getting his shot at glory this year, after becoming everyone's scapegoat after a bad weekend in Azerbaijan last year. Poor Latifi had his turn to suffer a moment of madness, throwing away the Sunday win when he had it in the bag, and he knows it. Two drivers who need to do a lot of making up in Monaco for being danger magnets are Antonio Fuoco and Sergio Sette Camara. I've not known Fuoco to be so sloppy since I've been watching him.

Drivers

1. Charles Leclerc (Prema Racing) 65
2. Luca Ghiotto (Russian Time) 36
3. Oliver Rowland (Dams) 35
4. Artem Markelov (Russian Time) 34

Teams

1. Russian Time 70
2. Prema Racing 67
3. Dams 51
4. ART Grand Prix 36

Porsche Supercup

This blew my mind. THIRTY ONE cars on the grid. I've never seen a motor race with such a stuffed grid. It was a bit weird, since most of the guys here this season are either new or veterans returning after years away, so I can't put any faces to the names. I recognize a few returners from last year and the year before, but the only actual face I know is that of the man who dominated the first two races, Michael Ammermuller, and that's because he was a Red Bull tester years ago. With the other contenders from last year gone to pastures new, is this his year for me to see him get a title in something I watch at last? It was basically him surrounded by a bunch of Stigs, as far as I was concerned, to be honest. That'll change by season's end, hopefully.

Drivers

1. Michael Ammermuller (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 40
2. Dennis Olsen (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 36
3. Daniel Cammish (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 30
4. Matt Campbell (FACH Auto Tech) 28

Teams

1. Lechner MSG Racing Team 70
2. FACH Auto Tech 38
3. Walter Lechner Racing Team 37
4. Lechner Racing Middle East 24

Nations

1. Germany 40
2. Norway 36
3. Britain 30
4. Australia 28

GP3

One of the few returners in this series had his card marked by Dark Mini. A failure whilst lining up for a race winning pass on Saturday condemning Aitken to pootling around at the back on Sunday. Kari went all Demolition Derby on Sunday, and two more returners staked their claim for the championship early by winning the 2 races. Well done to Fukuzumi and Maini. Especially Fukuzumi, he missed out on wins while all his team mates shared them and disputed the championship last year. Great to see them all make their way down and celebrate with him in the pits. We need more of that, and it seems they're taking the hint at last in F1...

Drivers

1. Nirei Fukuzumi (ART Grand Prix) 29
2. Alessio Lorandi (Jenzer Motorsport) 25
3. Arjun Maini (Jenzer Motorsport) 21
4. Dorian Boccolacci (Trident) 20
5. George Russell (ART Grand Prix) 20
6. Anthoine Hubert (ART Grand Prix) 20

Teams

1. ART Grand Prix 73
2. Jenzer Motorsport 46
3. Trident 20
4. Arden International 18

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Formula E

Renault avenged the loss at their home race last year by winning this year. As noted in commentary, it was a French carmaker's dream in the closing laps as Lopez closed in on Buemi, making it a Renault v Citroen battle. Please stand for La Marseillaise...

Vergne might have been too aggressive on those kerbs to break his steering like that. His home races were both duds ending in the wall. What a pain in the painful bits for him.

I said all bets were off this week between the title rivals - and jinxed Di Grassi in the process. He had a bad qualifying, little to no grip and was being passed instead of passing. Meanwhile Buemi was dominating as he usually does this season. He was getting away in the race and in the championship. Desparation set in. For me he had nowhere near completed the move on Da Costa yet squeezed him off the racing line. Result: crash. Then Dark Mini rubbed salt in the wound for Audi with a penalty for doing the car change too fast, then Bird stealing the fastest lap away from Di Grassi before he crashed again trying to get it back, then Abt grinding to a halt on the final safety car procession to the flag that Di Grassi himself caused. Geez. Awkward traffic jam there, as drivers were afraid to pass in case they got a safety car overtake penalty.

And yay for Heidfeld. The bad luck happened to other people again!

On to Germany, surprised but pleased to see FE returning to Templehof. With such a wide space, you can have a nice wide circuit and stretch the legs a bit. Hopefully nothing quite so humiliating as the last time we were there, with Di Grassi continuing his worrying habit of losing wins to technical breaches, and the driver who started first finishing last. This isn't Mario Kart, guys...

6 races down, 6 races to go. Can Di Grassi stop Buemi from building so much of a lead that he won't lose P1 in the championship when he sits out New York? Intriguing.

Drivers

1. Sebastien Buemi ([sign in to see URL] Renault) 132
2. Lucas di Grassi (Abt Schaeffler Audi) 89
3. Nicolas Prost ([sign in to see URL] Renault) 58
4. Nick Heidfeld (Mahindra Racing) 47

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1. [sign in to see URL] Renault 190
2. Abt Schaeffler Audi 115
3. Mahindra Racing 87
4. DS Virgin Racing 63

Manufacturers

1. Renault 235
2. Audi 115
3. Mahindra 87
4. Citroen 63

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Bottas hopes Ferrari's advantage "isn't real". I do hope it is. Vettel for Monaco. emoticon

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Woohoo! Twirly Finger! A whole win ahead of Hamilton! Life might be better down the line, yet. So happy for Kimi on Saturday, miffed at how it shook out. No team orders, this is Vettel, not Schumacher. Hamilton had the cheek to say Mercedes wouldn't do that. Bull Hits! They absolutely ARE in your pocket, Lewis, you liar! Rosberg being punished for contact while he never was, Lewis not being sanctioned for his cheating in Abu Dhabi, and Bottas being made to move over for him in Bahrain and hold up Vettel in spain, are all evidence of that. If he'dovercut Bottas to win Monaco, the fanboys would have called him a genius instead of serviced like they are with Vettel. Hypocrites. Ferrari can't complain too much about that, though. Their history of doing that stuff with Schumacher and Alonso both in the past partly contributed to this Cassandra situation. The shadow of Schumacher hangs in the air in that regard, in a way it ironically rarely did when he was at Mercedes. Niki Lauda wasn't impressed by Hamilton's struggles, though. Bottas didn't have any trouble... same in Russia.

Jenson Button showed his class by running faster than Hamilton in Q2 in a sack of hits McLaren. Travesty, then, that he didn't put Abu Dhabi right and retired from this race too. Nothing ever changes with Honda engines though. They blow in Indy too. It's Alonso who should be the one to "pee in the seat", the situation a sadly apt summation of a situation so bad there are no more superlatives or similies to use, you can only say bad. Bad.

Wehrlein either drives superbly or risks his back this year, there's no in between. Ericsson rather embarrassed himself there. It happened so fast, he didn't realize what happened until he was stationary.

Not impressed with Perez. On a mission to self-destruct, he's the one who needed to "stop bleeping around".

Drivers

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 129
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 104
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 75
4. Kimi Raikkonen (Ferrari) 67

Constructors

1. Ferrari 196
2. Mercedes 179
3. Red Bull Racing TAG-Heuer 97
4. Force India Mercedes 53

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 252
2. Ferrari 214
3. Renault 140

F2

Leclerc had it in the bag on Friday, then pfff! It was gone with a broken suspension. A predictable desparate attempt to pass people in crazy places followed on Saturday, ending in only one way - crashes. On Saturday Cecotto gave a taste of what to expect on Sunday as he stood disgruntled on the podium in second after starting on pole. Everyone else had a 'who can have the most dangerous overtake' competition. You can't use flashback here guys. Maybe that was how they got away with it, knowing this is the real deal. Louis Deletraz, however, would prefer that you never spoke of that weekend again.

Drivers

1. Charles Leclerc (Prema Racing) 77
2. Oliver Rowland (Dams) 74
3. Artem Markelov (Russian Time) 60
4. Luca Ghiotto (Trident) 56

Teams

1. Russian Time 116
2. Dams 102
3. ART Grand Prix 85
4. Prema Racing 79

Porsche Supercup

Well, that was a bit crazy, huh? Ammermuller as unstoppable as ever, while behind him, they couldn't go a few moments without another crash. Sharp was so unfairly wiped out by someone else's accident. Count how many slip ups happened in that race. It's hard to imagine how they didn't end up needing the safety car.

Drivers

1. Michael Ammermuller (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 60
2. Dennis Olsen (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 52
3. Daniel Cammish (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 48
4. Matt Campbell (Fach Auto Tech)

Teams

1. Lechner MSG Racing Team 70
2. Fach Auto Tech 38
3. Walter Lechner Racing Team 37
4. Lechner Racing Middle East 24

Nations

1. Germany 60
2. Norway 52
3. Britain 48
4. Australia 40

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