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The Wall
It's a giant wall! No not that kind 
It's Lebron Jame's new show where you answer questions to drop balls in a giant pachinko machine and earn cash.
At the beginning of the show, both teammates play together and must answer four or five (forget which) questions that have two answer choices. During each of these questions, three balls will be dropped into the giant pachinko machine from slots 1, 4 and 7. Whatever money value they land in will go the team's initial bank if they get the question right. If they get a question wrong, whatever values the three balls land in will be subtracted from the team's bank. The contestants may change answers, but if they haven't selected one before one of the balls falls into a money value, they will lose that question automatically (they might have the money the balls land in subtracted from their total but I dunno as it hasn't happened yet). The highest value on the wall at this point is 25k, right in the middle of the wall, and as long as the contestants have a positive amount of money, they may play on.
From thenon, one member of the team will be in isolation in a room behind the wall. They will have to answer the questions. The other member will be in front of the wall and choosing where the balls go in the machine. First, the member in front of the wall will get to choose two slots for freebie green balls (ones that add money) without having to answer any questions. They must choose from slots 1-7, with slots 5-7 being closest to the bigger money slots. But at the end of this round, two balls that will subtract (red balls) from the teams total will be dropped from these same slots, so putting it near the big money is risky. Then they must answer three questions. Before each question, the member in front of the wall will hear the answer choices to an unknown question, and from these choices, decide where to drop the ball from. By looking at the choices, the member in front of the wall is supposed to guess if their teammate will know the answer to the unknown question by inferencing if they'd be familiar with the subject. If they are confident in their partner knowing this, they can drop it closer to the big values, but if they think their teammate will get it wrong, they are advised to drop it over smaller ones. This is because, if they are incorrect the ball will turn red and subtract from their total, rather than add to it. On the second question, the person in front of the wall is given the choices and then must decide where they want to drop from and whether they want to drop a second ball (from the same slot as the first) or play it safe. On the third turn, contestants can drop three balls from the chosen slot. Then, as mentioned above, two red balls are dropped from the same slots as the two free green balls, subtracting the amount of money they land in. The questions have three answer choices in the second round and the highest winning is $250,000.
The third round is similar to the second round, but the teammate in front of the wall is given four free green balls at the beginning of the round, and four unavoidable red ones (once again, dropped from the same slots as the green) at the end. There are still three questions in the middle of the inevitable ones, with four answer choices this time. The highest value on the board in this round is $1 million. Before the four red balls are dropped, a contract is sent back to the player in isolation. If they sign the contract, the team will be guaranteed to walk away with the total they won in the first round, where they were together (plus $20,000 (I think) for each question they got right during rounds two and three of the show). But if they tear up the contract, they will walk away with the money amount shown on the wall at the end of the show (this total is the money the team made in rounds 2 and 3, only). The isolated contestant is unaware how many questions they answered correctly, where the balls fell or anything else so it's all down to their gut-instinct.
After the player has made the decision, the contract is sent back down. Once the four red balls have been dropped, the player behind the wall comes back and reveals their decision to their teammate. The teammate then tells them what they won/what they could have won if they didn't sign the contract. This part is very slow and dramatized.
It's a good show overall and sometimes I do get a bit swept away by it all  So I recommend you watch if you can. it's on NBC6!
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Re: The Wall
I watched the premiere/preview/whatever the hell the network called the first episode. I wasn't particularly impressed.
The wall as a set piece looks great, and the way the balls fall is very satisfying. That's about where the plus points end for me. The first round was too frantic to quite get a grip on what was happening, and everyone has clearly been told they have to run forwards and shout at the balls as they drop which felt a bit ridiculous.
After the first round, it loses even more interest for me. It's too luck-based for my liking, the team could get every question wrong and still end up with a huge sum of money. Equally, they could get every question right and end up with nothing.
They did the same contract/bailout deal thing on The Exit List, it didn't work on that and it doesn't work on this. Any format that requires one or more of the contestants to not give away what decision they've made to their partner until a particular moment in the process doesn't sit right with me, perhaps American audiences cope with that amount of over-production better.
Personally, I'd keep the pairs together for the whole thing, and have some kind of endgame where the slots at the bottom of the wall are replaced with Win/Lose slots and the team has to answer questions to earn a number of balls to drop into the machine. Get one in 'Win', they win the lot, get all of the balls in 'Lose' and they leave with nothing.
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Well, the first time I watched it (especially Free Fall) I wasn't really sure what was happening either. But that's what comes with watching a new show, I think. When I rewatch the premierre now, it seems so much clearer so I suggest you try a couple others to be clear. But if you just don't like it then fair enough!
I have to admit, that once I watched more and knew how many balls were dropped where I realized it was pretty luck-based. But I guess that doesn't bother me enough to be a deal-breaker. I think it's really neat to have a contract involved  It's not really over-production IMO it's a pretty simple show. It just adds a nice twist at the end to keep you guessing. I only don't like the idea that the contract could be signed, making all the drops in the second and third round moot, but at least they add money to the contract for questions right in those rounds.
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Personally, I'd keep the pairs together for the whole thing, and have some kind of endgame where the slots at the bottom of the wall are replaced with Win/Lose slots and the team has to answer questions to earn a number of balls to drop into the machine. Get one in 'Win', they win the lot, get all of the balls in 'Lose' and they leave with nothing.
Are there an equal number of win/lose slots? If so, I should think no one would want to drop more than one ball or they'd lose it all. If one slot said "Lose" and the other six say "Win" and the contestants keep going until it's not worth the risk then I can see some exciting moments. Is that what you mean?
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It would probably work with maybe a 60/40 split, so slightly more 'lose' slots than 'win' slots. I'd have it with a round of questions, maybe 3 or 4, each question is worth a ball and they get one to begin with (so even if they get them all wrong, they've still got one chance). From then, they drop one at a time so they get a number of attempts. If it lands in 'win', regardless of how many balls they still have to play, the game ends and they walk away with the top prize. If it lands in 'lose' they move on to the next ball or the game ends if they've used up all the balls.
The tension as the balls are falling would be fantastic, but there would hopefully still be enough 'game' to it to not feel completely unfair.
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Oh that's good!
One thing, if you win it all or lose everything in that round doesn't it make the rest of the show pointless? 
Edit to add: I just realized that you meant the better prize is what they win. I for some reason thought you meant $1,000,000 when you said top prize 
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Will have to check this out, I've not heard of it before. But if it's full of shouting (at balls, wtf) don't think I'll be able to sit through the whole thing...
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Oh that's good!
One thing, if you win it all or lose everything in that round doesn't it make the rest of the show pointless?
By 'win it all', I was meaning whatever the team had built up until that point, not like a gamble to win a better prize. If they don't win the endgame, they don't get their prize. You could offer a consolation prize of some kind, maybe based on how many questions they got right in the endgame.
It frustrates me how the 'reveal' at the end feels so forced and drawn out, I'd much rather any show like this have a single instant where the outcome is revealed.
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if it's full of shouting (at balls, wtf) don't think I'll be able to sit through the whole thing...
Prepare for an uncomfortable hour.
It's an interesting watch from a gameshow point of view though, it's high concept with very little actual substance, in my opinion. I might have to watch another one just to get more of a gauge of it.
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Oh that's good!
One thing, if you win it all or lose everything in that round doesn't it make the rest of the show pointless?
By 'win it all', I was meaning whatever the team had built up until that point, not like a gamble to win a better prize. If they don't win the endgame, they don't get their prize. You could offer a consolation prize of some kind, maybe based on how many questions they got right in the endgame.
It frustrates me how the 'reveal' at the end feels so forced and drawn out, I'd much rather any show like this have a single instant where the outcome is revealed.
I figured that was what you meant (eventually.. ).
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I haven't seen much of it yet, just clips. But in the end it's just a giant version of Plinko, isn't it.
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Not exactly, The Wall is just one element of the game amongst several others.
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