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F1

Don't care.

Seriously, though, Pirelli have something to answer for. Tyre wear was a concern for a lot of people towards the end, with teams scared into action when the Ferrari drivers had their problems. The more concerning thing is that Mercedes with three of the last four races in the bag, look set to return to their old dominance. Ferrari are fading. Damn it all to hell. How did they find half a second in one single update in Canada? Maddening. They say they didn't, but they're just trying to prevent cries of "Boring!" by pretending they were lucky.

Yay! I did it! Kept the whining short!

Drivers

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 177
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 176
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 154
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer) 117

Constructors

1. Mercedes 330
2. Ferrari 275
3. Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 174
4. Force India Mercedes 95

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 466
2. Ferrari 309
3. Renault 233
4. Honda 2

Porsche Supercup

Well, the Lechner teams did well, as the winners finally begin to pile up, after the best race of the year at Silverstone. That was the most overtaking I've seen in a race in the short time I've been watching PSC. I expected Ammermuller to have something in the tank in Austria, but he simply had no answer to Matt Campbell, who finally ended his winning streak to give him some company in the race winners club. A one-lap sprint after the safety car came in at the end of the penultimate lap was certainly fun. Never seen that before. I think most of us would have expected that to be that with the safety car coming out with two laps to go. Impressive speed by the marshals. I expected people to stuff up their braking into Turn 4, with those big hulks of cars, and whaddya know, they did.

In Britain, Campbell started brightly, and I expected him to be up there, but went into freefall down the field after his early pass and never recovered. Robert Lukas, one of the 'veterans' of my time, was in the action all race, and apart from some nudging did brilliantly. All the bad luck seems to go the way of the IDL team at the moment, always crashing or being hit by someone else. And Ireland's Charlie Eastwood made sure he was noticed with his battle with Phllip Morin, both from wheel to wheel, bumper to bumper action in his generic liveried car which looks vaguely like an old Sauber livery, to his very presence on the grid, meaning people just ignore the racing and stare in disbelief at the graphic on screen reading "10. C. Eastwood". Insert joke here. My joke is actually a political one, since a party leader in NI also has that name displayed on the ballot paper, but let's not go there.

Oh yeah, and well done on another podium by championship leader Michael Ammermuller, or as commentator Jack Nicholls pronounced it,
'Mike-a-minner Allan-a-minner'.

Drivers

1. Michael Ammermuller (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 96 (Come on! How did I not notice screwing up that time?)
2. Dennis Olsen (Walter Lechner Racing Team) 84
3. Daniel Cammish (Lecner MSG Racing Team) 70
4. Matt Campbell (Fach Auto Tech) 69

Teams

1. Lechner MSG Racing Team 166
2. Fach Auto Tech 109
3. Walter Lechner Racing Team 93
4. Dinamic Motorsport 67

Nations

1. Germany 96
2. Norway 84
3. Britain 71
4. Australia 70

GP3

So gutted for the Dams crew. They were annoyingly off the pace in Britain, making events in Austria hurt even more. Ferrucci is having one of those 'all that can go wrong will go wrong' years, while Calderon and Baptista both had their best ever races on Saturday in Austria, starting at the back, taking full advantage of the Virtual Safety Car period and passing multiple cars, including each other - several times - only to have all that undone by a penalty which wouldn't have hurt that much, if Tveter hadn't have been so bloody good at defence that he backed up FIVE cars behind him. Skills which he then repeated on Sunday, only just missing out on the podium. One of his teammates, Boccolacci, must be tearing his hair out. He got caught out by Hubert behind as he made a move on Sunday in Austria which caused him to panic and switch back too late, causing a big crash with Lorandi he could easily have avoided. A penalty was inevitable, but Sunday in Britain was a heartbreaker. Pole wiped out by his car not starting up in the morning. Giuliano Alesi made a lot of people feel very proud, and very old, by winning on Sunday. His predictably teary-eyed dad Jean was joined by Ferrari's top brass for a bit of nostalgia under the podium. Won for an Italian team, and all. I certainly feel old, now.

Amongst it all, George Russell has piled on the points and has a huge lead going forward, slowly confirming his status as the favourite, after Nirei Fukuzumi's challenge took a massive hit with a car problem in Britain.

Onward!

Drivers

1. George Russell (ART Grand Prix) 92
2. Anthoine Hubert (ART Grand Prix) 57
3. Nirei Fukuzumi (ART Grand Prix) 54
4. Jack Aitken (ART Grand Prix) 52

Teams

1. ART Grand Prix 241
2. Trident 93
3. Jenzer Motorsport 87
4. Arden International 38

Just give it to ART now.

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Formula E

Whoa, Renault. Slower than a slow thing on Saturday, much impoved on Sunday, with Gasly and Prost sandwiching Di Grassi at one point. No podiums for any of them, however, along with being outpaced here by Bird and the other GP2 past pupil Lynn with the Virgin team shows just how awesome Buemi is. A missed opportunity for Di Grassi. Two wins could mean the championship lead, not the time to go slower. More stress for Dragon with their two guys trying hard to take each other out. Heidfeld was on fire this weekend. Mahindra have come on leaps and bounds, as they say, this season-ohmygodwhatthehellwasthatwithgaslyatthefinalcorner! Crunch! Bit crazy. Still, as I say, job done. Now, on to the third final showd-er, battle. Season 1 - both lost. Season 2 - Buemi. Season 3?

Drivers

1. Sebastien Buemi (e.dams Renault) 157
2. Lucas Di Grassi (Abt Schaeffler Audi) 147
3. Felix Rosenqvist (Mahindra Racing) 104
4. Sam Bird (DS Virgin Racing) 100

Constructors

1. e.dams Renault 259
2. Abt Schaeffler Audi 194
3. Mahindra Racing 182
4. DS Virgin Racing 153

With mathematical possibility still in effect for Mahindra and Virgin, it's like a fighting game when "a new challenger appears!" By contrast...

Manufacturers

1. Renault 353
2. Audi 194
3. Mahindra 182
4. Citroen 153

Renault match Ferrari in F1 and win the first two manufacturers' scores I kept back to back. One more team than your opponents tends to do that. Just ask Mercedes. Congratulations Renault, for what it's worth! (i.e. Jack.)

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Well, that was breathless. Just what the heck happened with Leclerc's engine on Saturday? To last the race after that much smoke is crazy. The only thing I can come up with is oil burning, but that much, at that point exatly, then never again? Huh? There was plenty all over the back of the car at the end, but that is a headscratcher. Another Sunday followed in which he was able to show his tactical brain, striking only when right. A massive championship lead allows you to choose your battles, and it made for great precision, in contrast to Rowland, who was keen on forcing everyone off track just to get a home podium, so Dark Mini made sure he didn't get away with that - penalty. He was really stretcing it, and pissing me off, when he thought he could get away with back people up to make them screw up, so he wouldn't lose anything with a penalty, conveniently forgetting that only the race leader's allowed to back up like that. Naughty. He's lost second place in the championship now for that. Behave yourself next time, mate.

Meanwhile... as I write this, I check on the standings to get them right, and- oh! Hello, Santino Ferrucci! Fancy seeing you here! No more team mates showing you up like at Dams, hopefully? Little help needed on the broadcast to pronounce the name of his GP3 replacement, Mathieu Vaxiviere... I have an idea, but we'll wait.

Will anyone in the paddock in Hungary notice Sky's new look?

Drivers

1. Charles Leclerc (Prema Racing) 188
2. Artem Markelov (Russian Time) 121
3. Oliver Rowland (Dams) 117
4. Nicholas Latifi (Dams) 91

Teams

1. Prema Racing 211
2. Dams 208
3. Russian Time 207
4. ART Grand Prix 134

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Emotional Hungary coming up for Finns as Leo Kinnunen, the first Finnish F1 driver passed away this week. Kinnunen only appeared in one GP (Sweden 1974), failing to qualify for five others, but nevertheless was first Finn in F1 - and only driver ever to compete in a Finnish team ("team" and "constructor" being separate things back then). He was considerably more successful in various other series, including winning 24 Hours of Daytona.

Also Hungary is known as the "home race" of Finns, being one of the closest to us, having been popular GP for Finns to go see (particularly in Häkkinen era) and because Hungarian is pretty much the only language even distantly related to Finnish beside Estonian.

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Didn't think Red Bull would go much faster with upgrades, they haven't done for ages. Reserve judgement until the race, but gambling on Ricciardo anyway. Getting nervous everytime Wehrlein has a crash now. Were Sauber just bullying Ferrari into giving them up to date engines after all by threatening to scupper themselves with Honda? Finally, after those crashes, I think we could come back from the summer holidays saying 'goodbye Palmer we hardly knew ye'.

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Rally Finland

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I have a hell of a lot to sift through. This was the most stuffed weekend of the year, as ALL SIX of the series I watch were in action.
I have three rally highlights programmes to get through, better get a move on!

F1

"Darn the luck, darn!" I lost points gambling on the Huntsman, taken out on lap 1 by, as he not quite put it, 'a chuffing sore loser'. Sometimes I wanna swing for that kid. Oh well, at least he held up Hamilton and kept us on tenterhooks by extending his first stint in the lead to soften the blow of his penalty.

I have a lot of ire to fire at you know who over the whole 'move over' thing, but let's not ruin the holiday mood. Move on quickly...

A great way to bounce back from Silverstone, and one genuinely unexpected by me. Forza Ferrari! Nursing a sick car home for 50 odd laps, too! Twirly Finger, Victorious Vettel!

Fastest lap on the penultimate lap? (Not the last lap, the graphic was late) You're having a laugh, aintcha? Oh well, happy holidays, Fernando!

No, Romain, Kevin did not 'race' Hulkenberg. He cheated and tried to cause him to have an accident to keep the position. That is not racing. That's bad sportsmanship. He deserved a penalty just as much as Hulkenberg should have been done for hitting Grosjean at the start. If it was 'racing' then Hulkenberg would not have ended up on the grass, he would have gotten past Magnussen as he was clearly faster. Hurling abuse at him in front of the press after being done for it was even worse. Big baby. Having a tantrum at being done instead of the other guy. That mentality led to the stewards going easy on people just so they'd shut up, which is also a complete load of 'spherical objects'. The zero tolerance of any incident ten or so years ago did not scare people off of moves out of fear of a penalty, it encouraged actual racing, as they only made a move when they absolutely knew for certain it would work. Now you get all sorts of semantics and 'wahh wahh, he did this to me, go after him not me!' since they go easy on it. It doesn't encourage racing, it encourages cheating and trying to make people crash. They actually listened to them and softened the rules, instead of doing what they should have done, which was keeping the rules rigid and telling them not to be so salty when they got caught. Alonso's battle with Sainz was 'racing'. Maybe they should all go and study that over the holidays.

Drivers

1. Sebastian Vettel (Ferrari) 202
2. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 188
3. Valtteri Bottas (Mercedes) 169
4. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer) 117

Constructors

1. Mercedes 357
2. Ferrari 318
3. Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 184
4. Force India Mercedes 101

Manufacturers

1. Mercedes 499
2. Ferrari 352
3. Renault 249
4. Honda 11

Porsche Supercup

Well, that was tense. Cammish had the great start, but the tyres looked like they didn't agree with him, as Ammermuller showed his championship might and bided his time to pass him. IDL still have a 'Kick Me!' sign taped to their cars, and guest driver Preining played the Destruction Derby role in his fight with Webster, eventually ending in disaster. Getting down to an inter team battle, by the looks of things. Eep...

Drivers

1. Michael Ammermuller (Lechner MSG Racing Team) 116
2. Dennis Olsen (Lechner Racing Middle East) 102
3. Daniel Cammish (Lechner MSG Racing Middle East) 86
4. Matt Campbell (Fach Auto Tech) 69

Teams

1. Lechner MSG Racing Team 202
2. Walter Lechner Racing Team 111
3. Fach Auto Tech 110
4. Dinamic Motorsport 83

Nations

1. Germany 116
2. Norway 102
3. Britain 87
4. Australia 75

GP3

Massive frustration for Calderon, as a best ever qualifying was wasted by spinning off and stalling on Saturday, and some sort of problem made her pit and get lapped on Sunday. Even worse, Baptista scored his first point on Saturday, putting the pressure on. Niko Kari, meanwhile, has gotten better and better since Spain, with regular point scores and he got stuck in here with some good wheel to wheel combat. The problems with tyres on Sunday were a bit strange, and caused the biggest attrition rate I've seen in GP3. Whaddya know, Russell looked like his lead was unassailable after Britain, then he goes and scores nothing at all in Hungary, and his fellow ART racers are now right on him again. Trident emulate ART with a 1-2-3-4 on Sunday, and Alesi was brilliant again.

Drivers

1. George Russell (ART Grand Prix) 92
2. Jack Aitken (ART Grand Prix) 83
3. Anthoine Hubert (ART Grand Prix) 78
4. Nirei Fukuzumi (ART Grand Prix) 72

Teams

1. ART Grand Prix 311
2. Trident 152
3. Jenzer Motorsport 99
4. Arden International 46

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Leclerc is still looking strong. Thrown to the back of the grid on Saturday, he made his way up to fourth with some great strategy. His title rival Rowland was totally out of order. Dams got away with a slap on the wrist for a huge accident with semantics. Oh, he wasn't alongside, so it wasn't crowding. Bull! Hits! Markelov had the speed, and had DRS, the move was on, there was no track left beyond where he made the move. How dare they claim that he just drove onto grass for no reason! He was squeezed there at maximum speed by Rowland forcing him to swerve to avoid hitting him up the back. Rowland didn't back off one jot whilst swerving the full width of the circuit. That was nothing to do with the 'one move' rule, it was forcing another driver off the track because he was desparate to not lose the position, because he was desparate to not lose points to Leclerc, because he put the championship before his fellow drivers' safety. He caused that crash, and got away with it with rules wordplay. Markelov should not be taking responsibility for that, even though it makes him a damned good sport to do so. Outrageous. Sack those stewards.

Much more straightforward on Sunday, as Matsushita blew everyone away off the line to take the lead and then stay there, Canamasas was a punching bag again, and Ferrucci brought his bad luck with him from GP3. Still make Leclerc the favourite, but as Saint Murray said, "If is F1 spelled backwards!"

Drivers

1. Charles Leclerc (Prema Racing) 208
2. Oliver Rowland (Dams) 158
3. Artem Markelov (Russian Time) 123
4. Nicholas Latifi (Dams) 115

Teams

1. Dams 273
2. Prema Racing 231
3. Russian Time 218
4. ART Grand Prix 165

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Formula E

Mixed feelings about the end of Season 3. The pundits raved about Montreal being one of the best circuits, but I wasn't too fussed.
My favourites so far have been Paris, Marrakech, Hong Kong, Putrajaya, Templehof (both versions), and Punta del Este. Make a Formula E game please, Codemasters.

Massive frustration over Buemi. He won the most races, yet still lost, and twice his had work was obliterated by disqualification for being underweight. Can stir up feelings of being ganged up on, but on the other hand, why were e.dams Renault foolish enough to get into that position twice? They hadn't learned from Abt Schaeffler Audi losing victories for Di Grassi in exactly the same way twice in Seasons 1 and 2. You can't complain for one, when it happened for the other. It appears to me that it might have been in the scramble and panic to get the car ready after the huge crash in practice on Saturday for Buemi that they ended up too light, whilst under pressure. Happens.

Buemi's uncharacteristic - even in F1 - meltdown was surprising but understandable. Frustration had boiled over because he knew rightly that he had likely lost it all already with the crash and its accompanying grid penalty. He was desparate to get on the podium to be able to put up a fight on Sunday. He lost vital points from the crash alone, with Di Grassi taking full advantage to deal the fatal blow with maximum points. Drivers doing their job would always have hacked him off, and that combined with his frustration with himself for throwing it away. A friend and colleague in Sarrazin made it even worse, though he notably wouldn't explode at him. Abt, doing the perfect no. 2 support for Di Grassi, is the only one that he really ought to have had a go at, because he was the only one that really had anything to do with the situation, being his rival's team mate/human shield. It was grasping a little bit to try to rip into the Andretti drivers as well.

Another factor in his anger could well have been missing the New York races. It allowed Di Grassi the chance to turn an unassailable lead into an assailable one. I said he had to earn it after not doing enough early on in the season, and I said before that Di Grassi needed to get on the podium to close in, which he didn't do. I thought he had blown his chance. I thought he had not done enough in New York, but as it turned out he did exactly enough. He was just close enough so that the maximum points on Saturday alowed him to take the lead through the penalty and later disqualification for Buemi. The collison with the Andrettis and later black and orange flag on Sunday for Buemi didn't really have any impact. The crash that brought about the penalty was the big moment that spelled game over for Buemi, because he was off the pace in the rebuilt car afterwards.

What a season for him, statistically. It really was all or nothing for Buemi, because the six wins were the only times he was ever on the podium at all!

Much as I've supported the e.dams Renault crew since day one, and much as I am annoyed that twice on the last weekend Buemi's been slapped away from the title by crazy crap happening, I must take my hat off to Lucas Di Grassi and Abt Schaeffler Audi in the end. 2 wins to 6? Pff. That's nothing, you said. You did earn this title in the end, Lucas. Well done. Oh well, e.dams Renault remain the only constructors champion to date, that's something.

Moral of the story: It's not just the winning, it's the taking part that counts...

...and don't end up double booked in your diary.

Final Drivers' Championship Standings

1. Lucas Di Grassi (Abt Schaeffler Audi) 181

2. Sebastien Buemi (e.dams Renault) 157
3. Felix Rosenqvist (Mahindra Racing) 127
4. Sam Bird (DS Virgin Racing) 122
5. Jean-Eric Vergne (Techeetah) 117
6. Nicolas Prost (e.dams Renault) 93
7. Nick Heidfeld (Mahindra Racing) 88
8. Daniel Abt (Abt Schaeffler Audi) 67
9. Jose Maria Lopez (DS Vrigin Racing) 65
10. Stephane Sarrazin (Venturi/Techeetah) 36
11. Nelson Piquet Junior (Nextev Nio) 33
12. Oliver Turvey (Nextev Nio) 26
13. Robin Frijns (Andretti) 24
14. Mitch Evans (Jaguar) 22
15. Loic Duval (Dragon Racing) 20
16. Pierre Gasly (e.dams Renault) 18
17. Maro Engel (Venturi) 16
18. Jerome D'Ambrosio (Dragon Racing) 13
19. Tom Dillman (Venturi) 12
20. Antonio Felix Da Costa (Andretti) 10
21. Adam Carroll (Jaguar) 5
22. Esteban Gutierrez (Techeetah) 5
23. Alex Lynn (DS Virgin Racing) 3
24. Mike Conway (Dragon Racing) 0
25. Ma Qing Hua (Techeetah) 0

Final Constructors' Standings

1. e.dams Renault 268

2. Abt Schaeffler Audi 248
3. Mahindra Racing 215
4. DS Virgin Racing 190
5. Techeetah 156
6. Nextev Nio 59
7. Andretti 34
8. Dragon Racing 33
9. Venturi 30
10. Jaguar 27

Final Manufacturers' Standings

1. Renault 424

2. Audi 248
3. Mahindra 215
4. Citroen 190
5. Nextev 59
6. Andretti 34
7. Penske 33
8. Venturi 30
9. Jaguar 27
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Italy had plenty of mayhem. Ogier was off the radar, Neuville and Latvala lost time to various annoyances, Paddon went all Gilles Villeneuve on us driving on three and a half wheels, Meeke and Breen did their best to get themselves fired, and Esapekka Lappi came out of nowhere to achieve a career best fourth. Meanwhile, it was funny to see what drives conversation during a break amongst some drivers - being a dad. It seemed to bring Tanak luck, as after several near misses, he finally managed to bag his first win.

Poland started wet, but I've seen worse on a Saturday in Dublin. Teemu Suninen got caught out a little, committing some accidental vandalism. Oops. Ogier off the pace again. Is the fact he's not with a works team anymore finally starting to bite him in the rear? A nasty looking crash for newbie Pryce looked like being the biggest shock for me until they all got battered in one stage. Latvala was on fire, then bad luck slaps him down again when his car dies suddenly. Darn the luck, darn! And a warning that sometimes a first victory can boost your confidence too much, as Tanak stupidly threw it all away rather than cruise to the line Ogier style. He decided he had to absolutely ANNIHILATE everybody Hamilton style, instead, and paid the price for it, despite that costing him in a crash before. Tut tut. Broke Stewart's Law, there: win at the slowest speed. Through it all, Neuville keeps calm and carries on, despite a puncture, and looks more and more solid. First major title challenge, first major title itself, too?

Latvala has a 'kick me' sign on his car. Toyota's technical problems keep shutting him down. That's robbed him of victory on two consecutive occasions, now. What the hell was going on in Finland? Ogier had those once in a while implosions that champions have occasionally when they're dominating, that did not sound very nice at all for his co-driver Ingrassia. I hadn't heard a co-driver cry out in pain like that since I kept screwing up in the 2010 game on PS3.
Lappi and fellow debutant Teemu Suninen came out of nowhere and blew everyone away for the last three rallies. So much for the career best fourth, huh? Victory on attempt no. 4! That matches the F1 record! Massive congraulations, Lappi! So gutted for Suminen, as a rookie 1-2 would have been even cooler than a rookie win alone. He just took his eye off the ball right at the end. Dammit, Dark Mini!

Something was in the air. All the top guys had a mutually destructive rally, instead of profiting from Ogier's rare exit. Ogier broke his car on a compression from a jump, which should have been a red carpet for Neuville to win, only for him to do exactly the same thing at the same place. So then, Tanak could do it. But at the first corner of a stage he ran wide and broke his right rear suspension. So it's Paddon to step up. Then he goes off at the same corner and breaks the same wheel. Dear oh dear. A golden oppurtunity to take points off of Ogier, and they all blew it. Neuville only scored enough points to lead on countback, on a weekend where Ogier scored zero. Will that be enough? Will he regret that later on? I'll try to watch Germany immediately to find out.

Drivers

1. Thierry Neuville/Nicolas Gilsoul (Hyundai) 160
2. Sebastien Ogier/Julien Ingrassia (M-Sport) 160
3. Ott Tanak/Martin Jarveoja (M-Sport) 119
4. Jari-Matti Latvala/Miikka Anttila (Toyota) 114

Manufacturers

1. M-Sport 285
2. Hyundai 251
3. Toyota 193
4. Citroen 135

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